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Sender: Jason Bratschi <manhorsedog@gmail.com>
Subject: conspiracy science
Type: Regular
Added: Apr 07, 2010
Sent to: Edward L Winston

So I just got done reading your whole website and i must say I dont understand.

Regardless of everything that anybody has said in all of these"conspiracys" they still benefit the people of this world. Dont you understand that by doing the venus project we might be able to live up to our fullest potential as humans unlike now. There are people dying everyday that dont have to and its because of people like you that cant see the big picture.

I hope you can learn to grow up one day sir and see what we see cause as of now your not helping anybody and better yet your trying to ruin people that are.

No wonder you get threats, maybe its time to think about what really matters. Think about everybody being able to have water and food and a chance to be themselves. Cant do that? Is your fantasy world everything you already want?

dont do it for yourself do it for our future

>> So I just got done reading your whole website and i must say I dont understand.

I don't believe you.

>>Regardless of everything that anybody has said in all of these"conspiracys" they still benefit the people of this world.

How do lies benefit people again?

>>Dont you understand that by doing the venus project we might be able to live up to our fullest potential as humans unlike now.

You'd know how I feel about the Venus Project if you read my introduction to Zeitgeist Addendum, but I thought you read everything, interesting.

>> There are people dying everyday that dont have to and its because of people like you that cant see the big picture.

People are starving to death because people like me won't accept lies as truth and promote a movie?

>>I hope you can learn to grow up one day sir and see what we see cause as of now your not helping anybody and better yet your trying to ruin people that are.

You need to get off your high horse and take a look in the mirror.

>> No wonder you get threats, maybe its time to think about what really matters

So, let me get this straight Jason. It's okay to blatantly lie to people and feed them total bullshit, so long as they go along with what you think is best for the world? The ends justify the means? Am I right? You need to grow up. The real world doesn't work like that. I already explained why I think The Zeitgeist Movement will fail, several times, on my site.

>>Think about everybody being able to have water and food and a chance to be themselves. Cant do that? Is your fantasy world everything you already want?

See, you don't know fuck all about what I believe. That's why I know you're a liar and didn't actually read my whole site. I *do* support the Venus Project. I *do* support the resource based economy. I don't support the lies in Zeitgeist. You'd know all this if you did read my site.

>>dont do it for yourself do it for our future

Do yourself a favor and don't email me again unless you know what the hell you're talking about.

hahaha your funny and an upset person. I know now why people say you miss the point, its because you do. Those movies arent about lies they are about the big picture. They make it really clear on there site to not believe what they are saying and to come to your own conclusion, thats kinda of a major point to the whole idea.

Tell me what good do you think you are doing? Dont you think your time would be better spent asking our government why they refuse to tell the truth? and or make so many cover ups? asking questions is all these movies are about and there is not a single thing wrong with that.

I can tell your not a dumb person but just seem miss guided. I hope one day you will realize these people are in fact helping the world we live in and what you are doing is just holding everything back.

lies or not, that has nothing to do with the ideas behind these movies and thats all that your websites are based on, trying to let us poor people know that we are being lied to. POINT MISSED!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY REALLY MISSED.

ps i have read through your whole site but you misunderstood what i meant about the venus project. Its the concept, the fact that we are restricted by something that does not allow for us to start the project. Thats what these people are movies are about. Helping people to free there minds and start using common sense, not just doing what they are told.

>>hahaha your funny and an upset person. I know now why people say you miss the point, its because you do.

I'm not upset at all. Just because I cuss doesn't mean I'm upset, I get emails like yours all the time, it's no different to me than some blind preacher yelling on the street corner that the end is near, and they're going to microchip us. Hey, that's exactly what PJ did.

>> I know now why people say you miss the point, its because you do. Those movies arent about lies they are about the big picture.

Is that why the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist movement are now basically synonymous with conspiracy theories and much people, who already be turned off by the sound of TVP, now will run away because of the conspiracy junk?

>> They make it really clear on there site to not believe what they are saying and to come to your own conclusion, thats kinda of a major point to the whole idea.

You really believe that, don't you? So, if I go around, telling a bunch of lies, I should say "don't believe me, come to your own conclusion" but then nurture and reinforce the lies I've told *if* people *do* believe them? That's a load of bullshit and a way to save face against being wrong, ever. When is the last time Peter Joseph admitted being wrong about anything? Never.

>> Tell me what good do you think you are doing?

Let's see, I spend a lot of time volunteering, I donate tons of money, I try to find ways to actually help people. No, posting on a forum, signing up for a mailing list is not helping anyone.

>> Dont you think your time would be better spent asking our government why they refuse to tell the truth? and or make so many cover ups?

Tell the truth about what, exactly? Conspiracies?

>> asking questions is all these movies are about and there is not a single thing wrong with that.

No, they're about telling people what the questions are, then telling them the answers, and ignoring evidence.

>>I can tell your not a dumb person but just seem miss guided.

Ditto.

>> I hope one day you will realize these people are in fact helping the world we live in and what you are doing is just holding everything back.

How? Tell me how they're helping? The purpose of the movement is to "spread the word." There is zero effort on the part of the leadership to actually promote helping anyone, ever. We're supposed to just wait until we can have this resource based economy? People are starving today, they're homeless today, they're going hungry today. I refuse to stop proactively helping people to sit on a forum all day talking about ways I *could* help them if only we had RBE.

>> lies or not, that has nothing to do with the ideas behind these movies and thats all that your websites are based on, trying to let us poor people know that we are being lied to.

You're trying to tell them they're being lied to by telling them lies?

>> POINT MISSED!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY REALLY MISSED.

Yeah, I've heard it all before. I've had my Zeitgeist article up for about 2 1/2 years and I've already addressed the "missed the point" bullshit many times on my site.

I'm sorry I missed the point in a movie feeding people lies and expecting them to believe it. I'm sorry that many young people who watch it actually DO believe the stuff to be 100% true, even though it's secretly not true, and you're secretly not supposed to believe it to be true, just help it open your mind.

>>Helping people to free there minds and start using common sense, not just doing what they are told.

There are plenty of ways to do this without blatantly lying to them and pretending to be infallible. And, while you're busy "freeing minds", I'm going to be busy actually helping people who need real help.