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Author: Dave Sorensen (Show other entries)
Date: Sep 11, 2010 at 19:01
After nine years of "investigating", speculation and internet gossip, the 9/11 truth movement has yet to present a scintilla of evidence to support the various "theories" they have invented. Their failure could be explained by the fact that muslim extremists conspired to commit the acts on 9/11, or from the absence of good investigating. I'm not arguing that one could dig up evidence of thermite if they just looked harder, but that if you grant certain premises and claims promoted by the truth movement, you would expect the researchers involved to do some kind of follow up. This essay outlines the kinds of research you would expect to hear about if there were good researchers in the 9/11 truth movement.
To start, let's grant the 9/11 Truth community that the nanothermite article written by Steven Jones is sound science. After the research had been completed you would expect the scientists involved to submit their paper to a reputable scientific journal, and to have an independent lab attempt to replicate their findings. Since this is not what the scientists of the nanothermite paper have done, we need to ask ourselves why they have not done this. The most important piece of evidence for their case, the smoking gun that would be great interest to the scientific and historical communities is submitted to a random pay to enter journal in south korea for $800 with no further follow ups.
Second, I'll grant the 9/11 truth community that the 9/11 hijackers are still alive somewhere in the Middle East. It is a well known fact that Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin travel around the world promoting their books and dvds about their 9/11 conspiracy theories. With this in mind, why haven't either of them interviewed one of the living hijackers? Surely this would be damning evidence of a cover up. It is also striking that none of the 9/11 conspiracy researchers have even interviewed any of these living hijackers over the phone.
Third, I'll grant the 9/11 truth community that the architects and engineers for 9/11 truth have great arguments and calculations done to support their controlled demolition theory. You would expect some of them to get together and write an engineering paper to send to a reputable scientific journal. Again, why haven't they done this? What exactly are they waiting for? It's clear that the list of members for AE for 911 truth is nothing more than a conspiracy theory fan club. In a ten year time span, one could find 1000 credulous people in any field to believe just about anything. We musn't forget that even smart people can believe really stupid things.
To conclude this article I would like to knock down a few conspiracy claims one last time. Since these have been covered extensively by skeptics such as Mark Roberts, the JREF forum and other debunking websites, they will be very quick responses.
Controlled Demolition Theory (with bombs): There is no evidence of flying glass, loud explosions that would have been picked up by the three seismograph stations in NYC, accounts of deafening or blast lung, nothing noticed by the thousands of forensic investigators who looked at the steel, no demolition wires or wireless devices found and no video/audio evidence of loud explosions that would have been heard from a mile away. There were also bomb sniffing dogs that were brought in during clean up. Not one detected any bombs. Since we don't see any of these tell-tale signs we can conclude there were no bombs in the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Controlled Demolition Theory (Thermite): Thermite has never been used to demolish a building, and would not even work.(1) There is no plausible way to rig up the building to have the thermite burn up at the same time. Thermite cuts gravitationally so if you put it around the columns it would just burn through the floor. The chemical signatures of the dust samples studied by Steven Jones match the primer paint of the columns and do not have the right ignition temperatures as thermite(off by 400 degrees). We can conclude that the red grey chips found are not thermite and are probably primer paint chips. Lastly, none of the forensic investigators reported any kind of thermitic effects on the steel, and none of the bomb sniffing dogs trained to sniff out incendaries (thermite) detected any. (2) There are many other logical problems with the Controlled Demolition theory. How would they rig the building with thermite without any of the security guards, building inspectors, contruction managers finding out? If the security of the WTC buildings let them in, why did some of them die in the building?(surely they would know to leave) And why blow up the towers, putting the conspirators at a huge risk for exposure?
Iron Microspheres: Iron mircospheres could have formed from columns bending or the heating of the columns. These can easily account for the so-called "mysterious" iron microspheres which the other investigations into the dust addressed back in 2003. This is another example of anomaly hunting that conspiracy theorists engage in.
No Planer Theory: The planes could have easily reached the recorded speeds because they came in on a 20,000 foot dive. A perfect example demonstrating this is Egypt Air Flight 990 which reached speeds over 600 MPH before crashing. (3) All of the video evidence, eyewitness testimony and physical evidence of the plane itself show that there were planes that crashed into the WTC buildings.
Reccomended sites and papers that debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories:
http://www.nmsr.org/nmsr911.htm
911myths.com
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home Mark Robert's website
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf Ryan Mackey's White Paper that refutes David Ray Griffin's arguments.
http://sites.google.com/site/911guide/
JREF Forum
Sources:
1)http://nmskeptic.blogspot.com/2010/03/video-jesse-ventura-doesnt-want-world.html
2)http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html
3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
To start, let's grant the 9/11 Truth community that the nanothermite article written by Steven Jones is sound science. After the research had been completed you would expect the scientists involved to submit their paper to a reputable scientific journal, and to have an independent lab attempt to replicate their findings. Since this is not what the scientists of the nanothermite paper have done, we need to ask ourselves why they have not done this. The most important piece of evidence for their case, the smoking gun that would be great interest to the scientific and historical communities is submitted to a random pay to enter journal in south korea for $800 with no further follow ups.
Second, I'll grant the 9/11 truth community that the 9/11 hijackers are still alive somewhere in the Middle East. It is a well known fact that Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin travel around the world promoting their books and dvds about their 9/11 conspiracy theories. With this in mind, why haven't either of them interviewed one of the living hijackers? Surely this would be damning evidence of a cover up. It is also striking that none of the 9/11 conspiracy researchers have even interviewed any of these living hijackers over the phone.
Third, I'll grant the 9/11 truth community that the architects and engineers for 9/11 truth have great arguments and calculations done to support their controlled demolition theory. You would expect some of them to get together and write an engineering paper to send to a reputable scientific journal. Again, why haven't they done this? What exactly are they waiting for? It's clear that the list of members for AE for 911 truth is nothing more than a conspiracy theory fan club. In a ten year time span, one could find 1000 credulous people in any field to believe just about anything. We musn't forget that even smart people can believe really stupid things.
To conclude this article I would like to knock down a few conspiracy claims one last time. Since these have been covered extensively by skeptics such as Mark Roberts, the JREF forum and other debunking websites, they will be very quick responses.
Controlled Demolition Theory (with bombs): There is no evidence of flying glass, loud explosions that would have been picked up by the three seismograph stations in NYC, accounts of deafening or blast lung, nothing noticed by the thousands of forensic investigators who looked at the steel, no demolition wires or wireless devices found and no video/audio evidence of loud explosions that would have been heard from a mile away. There were also bomb sniffing dogs that were brought in during clean up. Not one detected any bombs. Since we don't see any of these tell-tale signs we can conclude there were no bombs in the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Controlled Demolition Theory (Thermite): Thermite has never been used to demolish a building, and would not even work.(1) There is no plausible way to rig up the building to have the thermite burn up at the same time. Thermite cuts gravitationally so if you put it around the columns it would just burn through the floor. The chemical signatures of the dust samples studied by Steven Jones match the primer paint of the columns and do not have the right ignition temperatures as thermite(off by 400 degrees). We can conclude that the red grey chips found are not thermite and are probably primer paint chips. Lastly, none of the forensic investigators reported any kind of thermitic effects on the steel, and none of the bomb sniffing dogs trained to sniff out incendaries (thermite) detected any. (2) There are many other logical problems with the Controlled Demolition theory. How would they rig the building with thermite without any of the security guards, building inspectors, contruction managers finding out? If the security of the WTC buildings let them in, why did some of them die in the building?(surely they would know to leave) And why blow up the towers, putting the conspirators at a huge risk for exposure?
Iron Microspheres: Iron mircospheres could have formed from columns bending or the heating of the columns. These can easily account for the so-called "mysterious" iron microspheres which the other investigations into the dust addressed back in 2003. This is another example of anomaly hunting that conspiracy theorists engage in.
No Planer Theory: The planes could have easily reached the recorded speeds because they came in on a 20,000 foot dive. A perfect example demonstrating this is Egypt Air Flight 990 which reached speeds over 600 MPH before crashing. (3) All of the video evidence, eyewitness testimony and physical evidence of the plane itself show that there were planes that crashed into the WTC buildings.
Reccomended sites and papers that debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories:
http://www.nmsr.org/nmsr911.htm
911myths.com
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/home Mark Robert's website
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf Ryan Mackey's White Paper that refutes David Ray Griffin's arguments.
http://sites.google.com/site/911guide/
JREF Forum
Sources:
1)http://nmskeptic.blogspot.com/2010/03/video-jesse-ventura-doesnt-want-world.html
2)http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html
3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990